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		<title>The J/80</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came across an articleÂ reporting on theÂ ISA All-Ireland Helmsman&#8217;s Championship, a regatta raced in the J/80.Â What interested me about this article, aside from theÂ colorful Irish turns of phrase, wasÂ the writer&#8217;s claim that &#8220;the J80 steps comfortably into the shoes of the J24, which we all got steamed up about in the 1970s.&#8221; Here is a [...]]]></description>
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<p>I came across an <a href="http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/hyde-and-friends-take-the-honours-in-the-helmsmans-1166292.html">article</a>Â reporting on theÂ ISA All-Ireland Helmsman&#8217;s Championship, a regatta raced in the J/80.Â What interested me about this article, aside from theÂ colorful Irish turns of phrase, wasÂ the writer&#8217;s claim that &#8220;the J80 steps comfortably into the shoes of the J24, which we all got steamed up about in the 1970s.&#8221; Here is a description of sailing the J/80 from the <a href="http://www.jboats.com/j80/">JBoats site</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Be sailing in 3 minutes. Take off the boom cover and hoist the mainsail, attached to the mast with slides. Cast off. You&#8217;re now sailing faster than other boats with full canvas. Ready for more speed? Uncleat the furler line and pull in the jib sheet. Presto! Now you&#8217;re really flying! Time for the afterburners? Pull the sprit launch control line, hoist the asymmetric spinnaker and trim. Now you&#8217;re planing! To jibe, simply let off the old sheet and pull in the new. No one on the foredeck! You can even do it single-handed.</p></blockquote>
<p>And it does 15 knots planing down wind! That&#8217;s intriguing.</p>
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<p>The boat is often compared to the Melges 24, which it should not be. It&#8217;s much heavier for one thing, but that makes it much more stable. And while easier to trailer andÂ setup than the J/24, it&#8217;s nowhere nearÂ as easy as the Melges with its retractable keel.Â Â But it&#8217;s really a different boat, theÂ difference between a dinghy and a keelboat.Â For instance, you&#8217;d be muchÂ less likely to bring your toddler sailing on the Melges:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thanks to its 1400lb. Fixed lead keel (48% ballast ratio) J/80 has big-boat feel and requires less experienced crew. The boom is high for safety and good visibility. No one has to clamber over a cabin top because everyone sits in the 12 ft. long cockpit. Even toddlers are contained by playpen-high cockpit sides.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, I know many serious sailors would not consider toddler-ability a sellingÂ point,Â but withÂ 2 kids under 5 I&#8217;m pretty interested in that aspect of it. And in a pinch you could take this boat on aÂ short trip. Â It&#8217;sÂ a family cruiser/racer with offshore capabilities:</p>
<blockquote><p>The J/80 is certified for Design Category B of the EU Recreational Craft Directive which states that qualifying boats are designed for waves up to 13 feet high with winds to 41 knots, <em>or conditions which may be encountered on offshore voyages of sufficient length or on coasts where shelter may not always be immediately available.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The price tag of $42,000 will keep me out of the market for a while, but hopefully these will be showing up more often on the used market. With over 1000 hulls built it may truly be the next J/24.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.j24blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/j80moor.jpg" alt="J80 Moored" /></p>
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<h2>J/24 - J/80 Comparison</h2>
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		<th class="sortable" style="width:50px" align="left">Description</th>
		<th class="sortable" style="width:120px" align="right">J/24</th>
		<th class="sortable" style="width:120px" align="right">J/80</th>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">LOA</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">24 ft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">26.3 ft</td>
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	<tr class="alt">
		<td style="width:50px" align="left">LWL</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">20 ft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">22 ft</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">Beam</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">8.9 ft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">8.3 ft</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">Draft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">4 ft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">4.9 ft</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">Displacement</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">3,100 lb</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">2,900 lb</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">Lead Keel</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">950 lb</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">1,400 lb</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">100% SA</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">261 sqft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">338 sqft</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">I</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">26.25 ft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">31.5 ft</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">J</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">9.5 ft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">9.5 ft</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">P</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">28 ft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">30 ft</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">E</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">9.75 ft</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">12.5 ft</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">DSP/L</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">173</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">122</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">SA/DSPL</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">20</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">27</td>
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		<td style="width:120px" align="right">Outboard 4hp</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">Outboard</td>
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		<td style="width:50px" align="left">PHRF</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">171</td>
		<td style="width:120px" align="right">120</td>
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<p><img src="http://www.j24blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/harken_rig_dimensions.jpg" alt="Harken Rig Dimensions" /></p>
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